I dont know what the issue is... Havic left to join WAR in order to continue the campaign against BSMF. He is continuing what we started. Now as I have stated on the forum before, I think it was an ill advised war (not Havics doing) that we as a guild decided on, but being one of many I went with the decision of the majority. We need to worry about how we are going to finish this war, and it seems Havic is doing just that... so if he needs to leave to do so, then that demonstrates leadership rather than some sort of weakness. Also we need to stop talking about our "GM" doing or not doing (over and over again) but rather we need to worry about what WE as a guild TOGETHER can do to affect how thing are going.